Provide Reasons to Buy a Non-Luxury Midsize Sedan that's Not the Subaru Legacy

"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
03/05/2016 at 21:36 • Filed to: Subaru Legacy, Subaru, Legacy

Pro-tip: you can’t.

DISCUSSION (71)

EL_ULY > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:39

A truck

Sweet Trav > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:40

I beg to differ, I’d rather have a Fusion Sport. 325 HP, AWD, Magic Pothole glide technology. And it doesn’t have a CVT.

TheOnelectronic > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:40

The Fusion looks pretty great and is apparently coming with the 2.7 ttv6 now.

Also, the interior was made by Subaru. Not an issue for me but people keep assuring me it’s awful.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:41

Ringlands.

JR1 > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:42

Mazda 6 looks better

For Sweden > EL_ULY
03/05/2016 at 21:42

A truck is a good midsize sedan, but not as good as the Legacy

For Sweden > TheOnelectronic
03/05/2016 at 21:43

But 3.6L Flat Six

For Sweden > Sweet Trav
03/05/2016 at 21:43

CVT > Slushbox

For Sweden > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
03/05/2016 at 21:43

Compelling

NinetyQ > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:44

Because Mazda.

Kinja'd!!!

jariten1781 > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:44

Mother-in-law is a Subaru zealot. Cannot give her ‘I told you so’ leverage.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:44

I can provide a couple...
-Transmission: First off, all engine options are equipped with a CVT. While CVT’s are pretty common in a few cars, this particular one is slow, does a bad job at simulating gears, and impedes on the car’s possible acceleration (the one I’ve driven was a 2.5i. I’d assume the 3.6R would be more brisk, but I still feel that the transmission would hold it back) A VW Passat 3.6 is priced comparatively to a 3.6R legacy, and has a comparatively much better transmission, as it features VAG’s ubiquous DSG Twin-Clutch.
-economy: While standard 4WD is a great feature, it gives the Legacy sub par MPG's in comparison to the comp. granted gas is cheap, but it is still worse

dogisbadob > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:44

Toyota and Honda are MUCH more reliable than Subaru and get better mpg and lower running costs.

LongbowMkII > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:45

Ew, no.

not for canada - australian in disguise > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:46

Diamond-stitched brown leather.

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Or cloth, if you’re a pleb.

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LongbowMkII > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:46

Mazda6. It's purdy.

For Sweden > JR1
03/05/2016 at 21:46

Championships look pretty neat

For Sweden > not for canada - australian in disguise
03/05/2016 at 21:47

Pretty, but not Glorious Nippon

For Sweden > NinetyQ
03/05/2016 at 21:48

#NoRotorNoMazda

For Sweden > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
03/05/2016 at 21:48

If I buy a VAG the government will force me to crush it for not following emissions regulations

FromCanadaWithLove > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:48

I was going to say the Legacy looks boring... but we’re talking midsize sedans, so I guess that’s a win?

For Sweden > dogisbadob
03/05/2016 at 21:49

Muh Beige

spanfucker retire bitch > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:49

I see you’re taking Poe’s Law very seriously tonight.

EL_ULY > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:50

Jesus cheese

For Sweden > LongbowMkII
03/05/2016 at 21:52

Counterpoint: Rust

Van Man, rocks the Man Van > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 21:55

Because the Honda Accord and Mazda6 both come with this:

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For Sweden > Van Man, rocks the Man Van
03/05/2016 at 21:55

In combination with Longitudinal Engine and AWD?

ranwhenparked > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:00

That is a good counterpoint - I have not yet seen proof that Mazda has licked that demon.

Sweet Trav > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:01

On what planet?

Planet Beige perhaps.

The Fusion sport is better looking, faster, roomier, and has far more upside if you want to modify it.

ranwhenparked > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:01

Kinja'd!!!

This is a solid one.

Van Man, rocks the Man Van > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:01

Nothing wrong with FWD. Heaviest part of the car over front wheels will be fine in the snow, and it's still winter tires that make the biggest difference.

For Sweden > Sweet Trav
03/05/2016 at 22:03

The one that exists past about 2012

For Sweden > ranwhenparked
03/05/2016 at 22:03

Death before Mondeo Man

For Sweden > Van Man, rocks the Man Van
03/05/2016 at 22:04

But rally

Van Man, rocks the Man Van > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:05

No ones going rallying with a CVT.

For Sweden > Van Man, rocks the Man Van
03/05/2016 at 22:05

yet

http://jalopnik.com/a-manual-cvt-i…

Van Man, rocks the Man Van > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:08

Interesting idea, but that’s 2 years old yet no one has actually implemented the idea. I’ll stick (no pun intended) with what's available today.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:10

The Mazda 6 has looks like this

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And, more importantly, has this interior.

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Meanwhile, the Legacy looks pretty much identical to the new Hyundai Sonata.

For Sweden > Van Man, rocks the Man Van
03/05/2016 at 22:11

Give it time http://jalopnik.com/the-2015-subar…

LongbowMkII > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:13

Legacies have been beige for about 10 years.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:13

Kinja'd!!!

Because it could burn one of these between oil changes? Side note, I think I’m at 1qt/2000 miles right now and the car only has 30k on the odo. (2013 outback 2.5l FB engine). Otherwise I love the car....

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/05/2016 at 22:14

Why have oil if you’re not going to use it?

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:14

Move to Arizona!

For Sweden > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
03/05/2016 at 22:14

It’s already rust-colored

For Sweden > LongbowMkII
03/05/2016 at 22:14

It is a midsize sedan

-this space for rent- > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:15

That Subaru makes beige look exciting.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Van Man, rocks the Man Van
03/05/2016 at 22:16

Man that accord coupe is really nice, saw one at the dealer parked next to the new outbacks and here was no comparison who did a better job at styling.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:18

Exactly, I’m just a lone man trying to prop up the US domestic oil market.

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/05/2016 at 22:18

But then President Trump will build a wall right in front of my garage

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:22

He said he would only put the wall between Florida and Mexico. No mention of Arizona.

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/05/2016 at 22:23

There’s a lot of Hispanics in Arizona though

iaintafraidofnoghost > dogisbadob
03/05/2016 at 22:27

Much better because they are not AWD. For me nothing beats Subaru in a snow and I need it in the snow.

DipodomysDeserti > not for canada - australian in disguise
03/05/2016 at 22:51

That's the worst looking stitching I've ever seen on a car, and I love diamond sticking. Looks pressed rather than stitched.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 22:52

They changed their steel supplier in mid-06. How many post-facelift Gen 1 Mazda 3s do you see that are rusty?

For Sweden > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
03/05/2016 at 22:53

All the ones that are at the bottom of lakes; mostly Speed3s.

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > For Sweden
03/05/2016 at 23:11

Jetta GLI comes in price wise between the 2.5 and 3.6 legacy. It offers a manual or a DSG(both of which are way better than a CVT) and should be a bit faster. It’s labeled a compact but it’s very similar in size to the legacy. Mileage is equivalent, looks are a toss up. It’s FWD but I don’t think that’s a big negative between these two cars. The aftermarket and tuning options are way better on the 2.0. And reliability should be similar.

dogisbadob > iaintafraidofnoghost
03/05/2016 at 23:56

Subaru should offer a FWD Legacy with the 2.0 engine, and offer the Impreza 1.6 FWD over here.

FWD and snow tires is usually sufficient. Besides, head gaskets cost more than snow tires :p

not for canada - australian in disguise > DipodomysDeserti
03/06/2016 at 00:00

You’re the worst looking stitching I’ve ever seen on a car.

iaintafraidofnoghost > dogisbadob
03/06/2016 at 00:25

Damn referencing something from way long ago, low low low. I don’t know I’ve had one last me to 220k, normal maintenance and only sold due to stupidity/fear. Current one is at 120k

dogisbadob > Sweet Trav
03/06/2016 at 00:27

zero-ms shift times! That’s better than a DSG!!!!! :p

m-b-w loves his SUBAROO > TheOnelectronic
03/06/2016 at 00:49

New Subaru interiors are up to par with the competition.

TheOnelectronic > m-b-w loves his SUBAROO
03/06/2016 at 01:12

Eh, I think it depends. The WRX interior, at least, still feels a bit plasticy and cheap. My Focus ST, as an example, managed to feel a bit more solid inside.

Like I said, it doesn’t bother me. As long as the interior is well laid-out and doesn’t squeak or rattle I’m fine with it.

Khalbali > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
03/06/2016 at 04:56

Mazda

Always

The

Answer

That One Kid in HS > For Sweden
03/06/2016 at 07:10

Ive got one: Trying to find one in stock on a local dealers lot!

But im with you. Its a great car. Great features. AWD. Awesome engine. And looks great.

Kailand09 > For Sweden
03/06/2016 at 08:45

Lacking power in the bottom trims. That 175 hp is super lagging without using manual mode, and even still not that great.

Also, it doesn’t handle nearly as well as some competition.

The trunk is smaller than others as well, if you care about that.

All that said, I was impressed with the car in general, and found the interior the best in its class.

I’d still go for a fusion with the 1.5 eco boost.

Sweet Trav > dogisbadob
03/06/2016 at 10:51

Which would be great if anyone could build a CVT to handle more than 300hp. And I’ve hand my hands inside of a Subaru CVT, the one behind the new WRX automatic. It isn’t a stellar design.

Wurrwulf > For Sweden
03/06/2016 at 12:39

My mother’s 2014 Legacy is in every way worse than her 2005 Legacy GT. It’s not as comfortable, it’s not as quiet, it doesn’t look as good, the stereo is worse, and it’s obviously slower. It doesn’t even consume less oil. Subaru took a step back. I’d look at Accord, Ford, or Mazda first.

Renescent > For Sweden
03/06/2016 at 14:46

AWD SHO? AWD SHO.

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/06/2016 at 19:37

In case someone finds this in 20 years, I’m implying Trump will wall off Arizona to keep Hispanics out of Trump’s America

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > For Sweden
03/06/2016 at 19:41

‘scuse you, that’s the diesel. call me when Subabroru brings mini truck to the states without cheating their way around the chicken(shit) tax

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden
03/06/2016 at 20:10

Kinja'd!!!

I’ve never thought of Volvo and luxury in the same vehicle.